My point has been from the beginning that frequently metaphor, figures of speech are used. I think you are playing musical chairs with the definition of spirit and soul, which makes this very confusing. If it includes thought and action, then by definition, a priori, it must come from the psyche. I agree, my point is that all of those emotions and verbs that you list come from the psyche: take action, vigorously desire, driving a man, having zeal. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”Ģ86 cyrus stirred in spirit. “Being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. When David, Abraham, Moses, and other Old Testament saints died, they immediately went into the presence of God on the bases of Christ’s shed blood, though yet future. Nevertheless, they were forgiven in anticipation of Christ’s atonement. If he could not be in the presence of sin, we are in big trouble. Saints in the Old Testament did not need a special dispensation. The poor man goes to Abraham’s side, in heaven. The rich man goes to hell, “far away” from Abraham (Luke 16:23). The poor man dies and is carried by the angels. The rich man is unnamed and forgotten forever. The one who the Pharisees believed was not a good child of Abraham winds up at the closest place of fellowship that there is-Abraham’s bosom. To be at one’s side or bosom represented the closest place of fellowship one could have with another. The poor sick man, who was, in the mind of the Pharisees, a bad Jew, was ushered by the angels to Abraham’s “side” or “bosom.” The idea is not ontological (dealing with a physical place), but relational. In the parable, the rich man, whom all the Pharisees thought was the best Jew with great rewards waiting for him in heaven, found himself in torment in Hell. If you were poor and sick then God was not with you. They believed that being rich and healthy was a sign that God was on your side. In the parable, Christ is confronting the religious leaders’ bad theology. Second, the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus does not teach that “Abraham’s Bosom” is a separate heaven. He was even carried in the womb of a sinner! Christ, God incarnate, was in the presence of sin the whole time he walked the earth (John 1:14).Obviously the Holy Spirit must be able to be in the presence of sin. Christians, who are still sinners (1 John 1:8), are the temple of the Holy Spirit.In Job 1:6, we see Satan presenting himself before God (see also 1 Chron 18:18-21 Rev. Satan himself can be in God’s presence.After the fall, we find God walking in the Eden with Adam and Eve (Gen.It has nothing to do with sin or evil being in God’s presence. 1:13 simply means that God is too pure to approve sin. There is no such place as Abraham’s Bosom.įirst, the idea that God cannot be in the presence of sin is untenable. Why there is no such thing as Abraham’s BosomĪs nice and tidy as that might sound theologically and biblically, it does not really work. Therefore, people have said that this must be the place, between heaven and hell, that pre-Cross saints went to. Notice, this parable was given before Christ’s atonement. “Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom and the rich man also died and was buried” (Luke 16:22). The name “Abraham’s Bosom” came from the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16. Once the atonement was made, Abraham’s Bosom it was vacated as all its occupants were ushered into God’s presence in heaven. Abraham’s Bosom existed as a holding tank for God’s people until Christ’s death on the cross. This “somewhere else” was known as “Abraham’s Bosom.” Think “Protestant Purgatory” or something like that. They were somewhere else waiting for their sins to be covered. Conclusion: they, before Christ’s death, were not in the presence of God. So far so good? But there is a problem: what about all God’s people who came before Christ’s death? What about Abraham, Moses, David, and Isaiah? According to the theory, they were not yet covered by Christ blood. Therefore, those who are covered by Christ’s death can be in the presence of God. God cannot be in the presence of sin (Hab. People go to heaven because Christ’s atonement on the cross paid for their sins. I remember when I was young, I was taught that there was a place called “Abraham’s Bosom.” The way it was explained to me made perfect sense at the time.
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